[petronder]

I play $1-$2 limit hold'em, and have generally made money by finding the loosest tables. And while I do make money, it can get quite swingy with all the suckouts that go along with that kind of game. Would you say there is such a thing as too many people seeing the flop? I'm considering moving to slightly tighter tables (at the same limit) to see if I can win more money by continuing to play tight and pushing my edges. I'm interested to know if anyone here thinks that the increase in fold equity you get by playing tables with 50-55% seeing the flop is greater than the "dead money" factor associated with playing at tables with 60-70%+ seeing the flop? This assumes that I play the kind of poker that SSHE teaches.

[lork]

Personally when I started reading SSHE was when I started playing LIMIT also. I would read a section one day and play, then read a section the next day and play. About halfway through it clicked and now I would love to see people raising and calling preflop. The more the merrier really. Anytime there are 8 limpers before me and I have Ax suited you have to get excited. I think the extra people help you, moving up may help also hard to say on your original question. You have to rememebr playing SSHE type means you have to be constantly pushing when you have a hand, raise raise, raise, raise. You have to PUNISH the donks for calling there weak draws so much. Last night I had Aces full of K's and two guys called me all the way down with a pair of sixes. When the K hit i check raised them both so get even more in there.

[petronder]

Thanks for the response. Since posting this, I've tried playing at some slightly tigher tables 50-60% seeing the flop as opposed to 65+. Of course 50-60% is still EXTREMELY loose, but instead of having 4-5 "donks" to punish, I have 1-2. I should probably download pokerstove and see if I can figure out if having 4 random hands calling to the river is more profitible than having 2. In the short time of doing this, I seem to be making more money, but time will tell. Maybe I was on a bad run of suckouts and I'd still do better in the loosy goosy tables.

[jhasper]

One thing I have found is the looser the table, the more immediate upside you can have.

Say you are playing only Ax suited and nothing else. If you get ten four to a flush draws on the flop all day and bet all the way to the river and hit none, you lose the same amount of money if there were 9 or 1 person against you all day.

Now if you hit all 10 of them, and 9 people were in every pot vs. just two of you, then you just had a HUGE day.

That is what SSHE is all about, building the pot when you have strong draws and punishing players who hold on to hands too long. That is why Ed Miller's response to "i need to move up limits to I don't get sucked out" is to say that it is absolutely absurd.

[petronder]

Yeah, that's why I made sure I was clear about staying at the same limit. Maybe it's just more aggravating to play with the loosies. I guess it's a question of winning a lot of small pots vs. a few HUGE pots. EDIT: I will add that when I was playing the $.25-$.50 tables that have 75%+ seeing the flop, I was absolutely KILLING it. Like 10BB/HR. There are just SO many -EV plays going on that the money just comes to you. I bet if you multi-tabled that kind of game, you could rack up. Unfortunately Pacific doesn't offer multi.

[lork]

Yes exactly, so far I played .05/.10 for 2000 hands, averaged 13 BB/100, moved to .25/.50 I now have about 800 hands and I am still over 10 BB/100, soon I will be moving again soon.

During this same period I am up 750 live playing 3/6, first three session ever at 3/6, in 15 total hours. or 8.33 BB/Hr.

[H.Reeve]

I believe that the more people see the flop the more likely you are going to lose. If a lot of people are seeing the flop it means there is a greater chance that someone is going to get a card and possibly a hand that is better than yours. I always go to the tables were less people are seeing the flop.